For the Lutheran Theological Seminary at Gettysburg Blog Tour on Religion & Media, Dr. Mary Hess responds to questions posed by The Snake Charmer's Wife. Please add your voice to the conversation! Click on the word “COMMENTS” at the very bottom of this post. And see the specific question Dr. Hess would like to hear from you about at the end of this post. On Friday, she will respond to your comments. Facebook me or send me an email if you have questions: terrispeirs@yahoo.com.
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(1) How can churches protect and encourage GBLTQ youth?In Iowa, we just buried another young man who committed suicide because of bullying after he came out gay. This boy happened to be a member of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, the denomination I share with many SCW readers (though not all). Many people in my congregation, St. John's Lutheran Church in Des Moines, are concerned for the spiritual and physical protection of GBLTQ youth. What are your recommendations for steps churches can take in keeping these kids safe and loved, especially in the face of hate messages from other Christian sources?
Mary Hess:
This is such a crucial question! Some of the best things churches can do have to do with being active in digital environments already. So, proactively being present in facebook means that church members can keep their ears open for people who seem to be crying out for affirmation and support, and church members can be wise voices that stand up and squash bullying.
We need to reach out and create safe spaces for youth, in particular, and many youth aren't ready to come anywhere near a church. So reaching out in digital environments is really crucial, as is supporting efforts by more "secular' organizations.
I also think that churches can be much more effective than in the past, at connecting people to good resources. I like the "Believe Out Loud" site, for instance (http://www.believeoutloud.com/), and I love some of the videos that were made as part of the "It gets better" project (http://www.itgetsbetter.org/).
There are also resources that are not focused so much on religious themes, but education about GLBTQ issues more generally. I think the GLSEN is awesome (http://www.glsen.org/cgi-bin/iowa/all/home/index.html), for instance.
I think it's also crucial to remember that for every person who is willing to come out, there are many more who are still too afraid. So the basic messages inside your church -- the things you say when you think there are no GLBTQ people around -- are even more important. Are you respectful of people's integrity at all times? Are you building spaces in which everyone is able to be fully themselves? Are you supporting listening spaces where people can experience what it is to listen for understanding? (I love the Public Conversations Project resources, for instance: http://www.publicconversations.org/)
Here, by the way, is one of my favorite prayers on this topic: http://www.religioused.org/tensegrities/archives/5914
(2) What do you make of theYouTube video: "Why I hate religion but love Jesus"?A young man, Jefferson Bethke, created this video arguing that "Jesus and religion are on opposite spectrums," when people don't practice what they preach. The video, titled "Why I Hate Religion But Love Jesus," had already surpassed 2 million views just two days after it was posted on Jan. 10. And the controversial topic generated an onslaught of more than 30,000 conflicting reactions in the video's comments section, according to the Huffington Post. What's the take-away for faith communities?
Mary Hess:
I thought that video -- and the phenomenon that grew around it -- was fascinating! Clearly Bethke struck a chord which resonated across the net. I don't know how many -- but clearly in the hundreds -- video responses were created and posted. I remember thinking, when I first saw it, that it was such a Protestant lament. And sure enough, several days later there was an explicitly Catholic response posted (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru_tC4fv6FE&feature=youtu.be <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru_tC4fv6FE&feature=youtu.be>). But even that response didn't really resonate with me. I would have preferred one in which a diverse community of people gathered in the midst of social justice work to talk about how they love Jesus and how religion has helped them to embody that love.
I think one big take-away has to do with recognizing resonance, and then building on it. In other words, rather than trying to"manufacture" interest in something, keep your ears and eyes and heart open, and be willing to share what you're thinking and feeling. We need to help our church members learn how to create and produce digital stories (resources here: http://www.storyingfaith.org/). That means, among other things, helping church members to learn their own stories -- not simply their own individual stories, but also the stories of our faith community, and our God stories. We need to delve into the Bible, and into our traditions, and see what lives there, and what we need to bring new life to.
One of my more favorite recent books is Elizabeth Drescher's lovely little meditation "Tweet if you [heart] Jesus" -- which talks about "practicing church in the digital reformation." We need to become much more adept at doing this!
(3) Tied up in these two questions is a conversation around why the dominant voice of Christianity seems to be such an extremest one. Is this just my perception? How can we put out there the loving/welcoming face of the church as opposed to "Do as we say or you're going to hell"? (This question comes with thanks from Maryce Ramsey, Washington DC)
Mary Hess:
It's not just your perception, but I think it's a perception that is tied to popular news media. And that, in turn, has to do with certain kinds of 24/7 television news media. Fewer and fewer news organizations have the ability to actually investigate news, and they rely more and more on pre-produced, or spontaneously-produced (ie. talking head commentators), content. Thus the arrival of the bloviating opinionator – whose only cost is their salary, and whose “stickiness” (in terms of the length of time eyeballs remain on them) is often tied to their ability to produce “jolts” of adrenaline.
One reason why our news media are so full of disasters (or concerns about anticipated disasters) is that such stories are a routine source of adrenaline production. What is an alternative? Well, we know that individuals “shouting” can produce “stickiness,” but so can humor – and humor often provides for more complex engagement. Witness the ways in which The Daily Show with Jon Stewart covers religion.
Frankly, I think the messages of the mainline church are often more complex and ambiguous than the 15 second soundbites that typical “news” programs allow. I think we do better in the long run by cultivating relationships with the writers of television shows that have long narrative arcs. In those series – and here I think about shows like The West Wing, Battlestar Galactica, The Simpsons and so on – in these shows we have more opportunity to encounter representations of religion in all of its complex messiness in the midst of relationships, and to show the context in which mainline churches operate.
But beyond that strategy – which is long term, and requires thoughtful cultivation of relationship with writers – we ought to be putting out our own stories via digital media. This blog is a good example of how you’re connecting with a wide variety of pastoral leaders who are sharing the good news – both of Jesus Christ, and of the mainline church, in all sorts of ways.
(4) I've been thinking about the intersection of religion and media in terms of the "religious right" and the "religious left." Radio and television helped give rise to the religious right. In today's media landscape, younger people--who are wary of religious institutions and generally regarded as more liberal in their religious beliefs ("left")--are more likely to lean toward new media technologies and have those influence or reinforce what they think and believe. So is being on the religious left or right becoming increasingly influenced by how one engages various media, and therefore, is there a generational divide, and will that divide increase or decrease over time? (This question comes with thanks from Deb Bogaert, Virginia)
Mary Hess:
I don't think it's about the religious right or left so much as it is about differing practices with regard to media.
The example I find myself using most often to talk about this has to do with how Christian churches dealt with the advent of television, at least in the United States. Christian churches tended to respond in one of two ways. Either they were deeply excited about the possibilities for using television to spread the gospel widely, or they were deeply worried about the ways in which television content was damaging and potentially destructive of Christian faith.
At first glance those two positions might seem very different from each other. But if you think about it, both pretty much assume that the creator of the content controls its meaning. In the first instance Christians saw television as a way to pipe their content to many more people over a much wider area. In the second, Christians saw television as piping negative content directly into people's homes. Television was the "pipeline" through which content was poured, and the person receiving the content was considered to be a pretty passive recipient of that content. So more conservative evangelical churches helped to create the entire Christian broadcasting and publishing world, and more liberal Protestant churches focused on media literacy education, which was going to somehow "inoculate" people against negative content.
Frankly, I don't think either approach was all that successful in the long run. What we've learned, instead, is that media -- whether television, film, digital media, etc. -- are environments in which meaning is made, and the producer of a message does not control its reception. Media literacy educators learned, for instance, that far from "inoculating" people against negative content, we tended to inoculate them against religious community -- because people didn't want to 'give up' the television they loved, and were far more willing to turn their backs on religious community.
So a thoughtful approach to media today takes very seriously the "agency" of the audience. Scholars of digital media speak about "participatory culture" -- by which they mean that consumers of media are very often the producers of it as well. Spaces such as YouTube, Spotify, flickr, facebook, and so on are the focus of more and more of our attention.
I believe that Christian communities -- indeed, any religious communities -- need to venture into these spaces and reflect on how religious meaning is made there. Rather than boycotting them -- which is something many Christian communities have suggested that we do (a stance which reminds me of early media literacy educators) -- or entering into them entirely uncritically (a stance which reminds me of Christian broadcasting) -- we need to support people in learning how to produce their own messages in these media, and in doing so learn how to be critically engaged with them (which is actually the stance of current media educators). (See, for instance, NAMLE: http://namle.net/).
And a question from Mary Hess to you:
Where do you find yourself most theologically engaged these days? What are you doing or reading or singing or listening to or watching that gets you thinking about God or reflecting on your faith?
Thanks! To comment or ask more questions, just click "comments" below.
Hi Mary, Thanks so much for this! I'll get the ball rolling. There is so much I love about your comments, including the video you linked to: "Why I love Jesus and Why I love Religion." That guy pretty much nailed my thoughts. I'm also thinking more about your comment on question 2: "We need to help our church members learn how to create and produce digital stories." My first thought goes to all the cool possibilities with confirmation students and young adults, people who are comfortable with digital resources. Cheers! Terri
ReplyDeleteCheck out this site (storyingfaith.org) for more resources on working with confirmation students. There's a dissertation project or two that have been done in that arena, and lots of people who are more informally discovering how to do this work and how exciting it can be!
DeleteThank you for introducing me to storyfaith.org. I will look through that site and see how we might use it with our confirmation students in the future.
DeleteMy current thoughts on religion involve an effort on my part to be more inclusive and accepting of faith traditions other than my own, including non-Christians. I feel that God is more than any particular religion can handle. I am very turned off by any religion (and especially any religious leader) that claims to have all the answers.
Good morning! What are your thoughts about what is occuring with the Vatican and American Nuns? I have heard my Roman Catholic auntsay she is staying with the Roman Catholic church to try to change gender roles from within while other, like myself, left the Catholic church for a faith that supports a more equal role for all people. I am curious about your thoughts here. Thanks! Kirsten
ReplyDeleteAh... that is a big question, and this week in particular I have to say that it's been hard to remind myself why I love the church and stay within it. The Vatican is clearly not comfortable with women who are committed to serving the poor and sharing the gospel, and that is deeply problematic. On the other hand, as pained by the actions as many sisters are, the ones I know are also deeply committed to continuing in their vocation. I suppose it's easier for me to remain within the RC fold because I'm teaching in a Lutheran context where I regularly enjoy women preaching, and have the privilege of helping women and men prepare for ministry. But it's also a context that reminds of what I cherish about the deep bones of RC theology -- including, but not limited to, its fierce commitment to social justice. Right now it's hard to see how the Vatican is upholding that commitment -- but the Vatican is only one small corner of the entire church!
DeleteThank you. Yes I quite agree! i often finding myself trying to explain to other non- Roman Catholics that the Vatican is not the entire church because the church is a more diverse place. I sincerely hope that the church can continue to grow in it's compassion and love for all God's children. I will be interesting in how all of these things play out.
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ReplyDeleteI appreciate your view on the RC church. As a recently "former" Catholic, it was an awakening when I discovered the truths of the Bible and how divergent they were to how I was raised in a parochial setting. In answer to your question on where I am theologically engaged today, it is in the old-school methods of staying in the Word through an intense study of the Bible and responding to my call to holiness.
That said, those Biblical Truths of justification by faith alone shook me out of my RC ways and encouraged me to continue to test what I had learned against the Truths of the Bible. It's been a beautiful transformation.
As I see the RC from a different angle now I must share that while local RC churches want to claim a diverse independence, the the Vatican plays an enormous role in how church communities are led. Today's RC leaders (priests)adhere quite diligently to the directives of the Vatican, upholding, in many ways a non-lenient standard, those interpretations and viewpoints.
Consider the reversion to Vatican I practices spreading across dioceses nationwide. Those changes are a directive of the Vatican and there is much power there. It is, however, wonderful to see the underground work many Catholics are doing in their churches to spark change and I hope that holiness goes viral! :)
Yes, it's true that the Vatican plays a crucial role -- that is one element of authority in the RC church. But the church has both vertical hierarchy (the Vatican) and hortizontal hierarchy (the sensus fidelium). I love the analogical imagination of the Catholic community, its deep commitments to social justice, and the ways in which it continues to engage media as they emerge. Did you know that the Vatican held a summit on blogging last year, engaging it with open arms? So this particular move on their part in relation to the LCWR is not all that is going on there. Indeed, in some ways I suspect that the general flattening of authority which digital media are bringing throughout diverse contexts might have something to do with the Vatican's increasingly overt use of explicit power.
DeleteIn addition to the amazing work of nuns around the world to help the poor, my hero, RC and otherwise, is slain Archbishop Oscar Romero of El Salvador, who, ironic to this conversation, was a master at mixing media and religion. For those of us in Des Moines, I think it'd be great to get together and watch the film about his life (staring the late, great Raul Julia). Let me know if you're interested. We'll order in papusas and beer.
Deleteinterested in the movie! been lurking all day. good conversation.
DeleteIt seems that women have come a long way in the Lutheran church and now that needs to happen again but with alternate lifestyles. Confirmation is a great place to begin in the church setting but we always need to be practicing tolerance in all aspects including different religions. The more we learn about differences the more we learn that we are all the same.
ReplyDeleteAn interesting thought -- "the more we learn about differences the more we learn that we are all the same"
DeleteI can think of some profound ways in which that is true -- but also some ways in which it isn't. Part of what is fascinating to me about the web and digital media is that people can go looking for things that simply confirm all that they already know, or they can open themselves up to new ideas and new ways of seeing. The latter can be very hard, precisely because there's no way to promise someone that they won't be changed in the process of encountering something new.
My own preference is not so much for tolerance (although that's a place to start, I suppose), but something harder and deeper -- real respect.
Indeed, something far greater than tolerance: the Beloved Community, as Martin Luther King said. (I think he coined that phrase.)
DeleteTolerance is not the same thing as acceptance.
Deleteor joy!
Deletemary's comment that "people can go looking for things that confirm all that they already know" reminds me of msnbc and fox tv -- where we only listen to one viewpoint -- the one we agree with. we're all guilty of that, whether the topic be politics or religion.
DeleteThe benefit of digital media is that it can break down some of the barriers that exist between us because we cannot see sex or sexality and therefore have a harder time labeling "otherness." We still judge but based more on a virtual presense and identify that has been developed. We see only what we are allowed to see. I get excited about the promise of virtual churches and the ways that we can reach out to different communities and ages. But then I think about my own work and how much more of it is done digitally and how I end up longing for the real physical presense of others, of community. How can we augment our physical faith communities with virtual faith communities in ways that are expansive rather than destructive? Is attending a virtual church the future? Is it the same as attending a physical church? Thanks for allowing me to participate in this dialogue! - Maryce
ReplyDeleteI think there are lots of experiments going on now, but not much definitively learned yet. Heidi Campbell's research suggests that there is more overlap between people who are involved in local physical churches and with online churches, then there are separate groups of people. Which might have something to do with the emerging finding that digital tools do much better at sustaining and intensifying relationships, than they do with starting them. But I think all of the best practices we have for transformative learning are what we need to be drawing on here, as well.
DeleteMaryce, I'm really identifying with what you're saying, as one who telecommuted to work for 8 years. When that was over, I was so glad to focus on the immediate community around me, yet I strangely missed the "telecommuting" part. I think that's why I sought out the distance MFA program. I totally agree that there's an equalizing factor to relating to people online, but it's also great to get together physically when possible. For a writing program, an online approach is pretty much a no-brainer. Cheers!
DeleteHello, Mary. What are you finding about the use of digital media by nontraditional spiritual communities, often made up of people who are looking for a more intimate, personal experience than their churches provide? Are seekers more likely to be turning to the Internet for connection?
ReplyDeleteI think people in that scenario (look at John Roberto's work on Faith20/20 and scenarios 2 and 3) tend to go online to look for community (the way you might check out one from afar), but then go to visit it in person. I don't know that there are that many people who engage only in online pieces. Which is yet another reason why it's so important for us to help give people access and invitations into our embodied practices. Many of the people in "nontraditional" communities are yearning for connected belonging, and for engagement with the earth. Both of which can be sustained online, but can't live ONLY online.
DeleteI think there is a segment of society who do depend on online engagement to fufull spiritual and nonspiritual connection. These are people who has limited contact with loved ones in other states or even other countries. People who do not have or do not feel as though they have a connection to a traditional community. People are moving further away from hometowns and home churches and it is often difficult for adults to establish relationships.
DeleteAs I said, I think that people start there -- for some of the very reasons you're mentioning -- but rarely stick to only online contact. But it is definitely a way to 'check out" a community before making even an initial commitment. Which only goes to show how problematic it is when churches and other organizations don't maintain any kind of web presence!
DeleteGreat conversation, everyone! Please consider answering the question Mary Hess has for you: Where do you find yourself most theologically engaged these days? What are you doing or reading or singing or listening to or watching that gets you thinking about God or reflecting on your faith?
ReplyDeleteA quiet time while walking or sitting in a beautiful natural setting is what brings me closer to God. It is much harder to have any doubts about the existence of God when you are surrounded by the natural beauty of His creation. I can feel this closeness while viewing some spectacular wonder of the world or just sitting on my back deck looking at the flowers and the trees. The key is taking the time to slow down and absorb the beauty. I frequently receive forwarded emails of spectacular pictures of God’s creation. These are great pictures, but then I start thinking about who created the files and what was their motivation in doing it. I want to share the beautiful pictures with someone else, but what if there is a virus attached, so I delete it. Phyl
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